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Post by Dave Silk on Dec 18, 2017 9:38:13 GMT
I hope this doesn't cause offence but I just couldn't resist this.
Ho, ho, ho this made me laugh. but really you shouldn't laugh at other people's misfortune.
It was drawn to my notice that I couldn't now look at the rival AFA forum without logging in. However that was impossible to do that as I was deleted a couple of years ago. My only crime was I dared to suggest that they paid a bit of respect to Tony the provider of the FAG forum whom everyone had been quite happy to use, instead of continually giving insults and abuse.
They say most things come back and bite you in the leg and that's what happened. Some nasty person (it certainly wasn't me, I wouldn't know how to) hacked and translated all the site into Chinese. How nasty can anyone be!
It may be the season of goodwill but however justice has been done at last.
Merry Christmas everyone.
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Post by andypspotter on Dec 18, 2017 10:15:41 GMT
An interesting development. Perhaps we need to keep our eyes peeled for Russian or North Korean interference in the smooth running of our little old group. That said, I didn't realise we were strategically that important.
It's a sod when you get hacked /scammed. I trust they've managed to recover without too much hassle, even if access is now a little more restrictive. Hopefully, something similar won't happen to us, and we won't have to adopt a similar tack, although you can never say never. Thankfully, my brother-in-law's girlfriend speaks Cantonese and Mandarin, so if either of those were the hacker's languages of choice, she could translate.
The AFA forum is a different beast to our own. Although it appeared at around the same time as ours (when Tony unilaterally decided to pull the plug on 'his' forum), it appears that the AFA forum was already in development a number of months before this event. I used to be dismissive of what I believed was Tony's paranoia when he was making allegations of a trojan-horse like coup. Perhaps there was some truth in his suggestions.
In comparison, Ken and Dave basically pulled this forum together 'on the hoof' as a direct result of Tony's switch off. I joined a day or so later and was invited to be a member of the admin team.
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Post by Dave Silk on Dec 18, 2017 10:44:53 GMT
Thanks for leaving my post intact.
Yes agreed you started this forum around the same time but there was to the best of my memory no nastiness thrown from here in Tony's direction.
Yes, Tony sort of switched off but that was due to the difficulties he was having at home with looking after his wife and daughter and it only called for a bit of compassion; certainly not abuse.
And a third yes; we were all very grateful to him prior his run down but not closure of his forum.
I'd been waiting all this time to make my point. I made my point on there speaking home truths and was off within 5 minutes.
Thanks again for keeping it on board.
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Post by andypspotter on Dec 18, 2017 10:49:47 GMT
No probs matey.
I just relocated it from ballooning, as I didn't want any accusations of 'hot air' 😉
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Post by busterbear on Dec 18, 2017 12:07:08 GMT
I was sent this, a screen image of a page on the 'other site'. One can only hope that if the group managed to regain control and change everything back to English, that data was not corrupted.
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Post by Dave Silk on Dec 28, 2017 14:03:31 GMT
Still all closed except for logging in; they must have more secrets behind that blue screen than the Masonic Lodge!
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Post by Silkworm on Dec 28, 2017 17:23:39 GMT
Not closed shotter, still going strongly behind the blue banner, register and have a look 😊 Like has been said earlier this group and AFA are totally different beasts and both will go from strength to strengh
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Post by spud gun on Dec 28, 2017 17:59:51 GMT
There were never any "insults and abuse" levelled at Tony's forum on AFA, but as with I'm sure many members on here, lots of the old FAB group's members were annoyed to say the least that the forum was pulled without a word and loads of regular contributors lost months and years of logs and photos, not least of all Peter Brown. Several voiced their frustration and anger when they signed up for AFA. As for "shottermiller's " claim that he was kicked off for complaining about the "insults and abuse", then he knows well enough, along with his "friend" sledgehammer exactly why he was kicked off. He was kicked off for firing a torrent of abuse at me and the two guys who help moderate the forum. It was uncalled for, unnecessary and totally unwarranted.
Regarding his statement that " a person hacked into AFA and translated everything into Chinese" is totally incorrect as well. Over a period of 24 hours, two people, whether the same person or different individuals registered, and placed a few lines of Chinese script onto two sub sections. Nothing was translated from English, nothing was lost or became irrecoverable, the persons involved were blocked, their posts deleted and the forum returned to normal service. As a safeguard, we decided to take the step of making the forum only available to registered members. That has proven a good move, as AFA has registered more than 60 new members in the past two weeks.
So shottermiller why would you deem this as " justice has been done?"
Irrespective of what happened on AFA a couple of weeks ago, the forum went live after Tony pulled the plug on the old FAB forum. Yes, we had a good idea that he would do exactly what he did, and some work went on behind the scenes for a couple of weeks, essentially to try to save Peter Brown's work. The templates were in place and after a couple of weeks of hard work, the new AFA forum went live within three hours of the old FAB site being removed from use. There was no attempt to undermine Tony or to usurp him, we simply wanted a place where existing FAB members could sign up to, as indeed they have to Andrew's excellent forum here.
We all enjoy and love our hobby, I see no reason why there should be any nastiness involved, AFA and the new FAB forum have many common members. I hope Andrew's forum goes from strength to strength as indeed do I hope AFA will.
So please, "shottermiller", or whatever your name is, climb down from your pedestal, get a life and act like an adult rather than a spoilt kid.
Thank you
Graham AFA
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Post by slideman on Dec 28, 2017 21:12:04 GMT
As a member of both can I just say how much I appreciate the efforts of all those who worked to get both FAB & AFA online, both are excellent and complimentary and not in competition. As for Graham’s comments I agree wholeheartedly
Trev
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Post by photomick on Dec 28, 2017 23:58:53 GMT
I agree with slideman both are complimentary and hope both grow in membership as I find them both interesting and informative and help our hobby greatly
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Post by Dave Silk on Dec 29, 2017 12:12:31 GMT
Spud Gun, Graham AFA
That's good that you have come on here. I have no intentions of attempting to use this Forum for a slagging match and thank you to the admin for the chance to respond, something I've never been able to do until now as you deleted me.
I would just like to say, I'm 74, old and intelligent enough to see things from different angles; not a spoiled child and I certainly don't know anyone with the pseudonym "Sledgehammer".
I'll will agree you have an interesting site but all I did was to dare criticise you and joining members slagging off Tony when they had no ideas of what was wrong at FAG. It was a case of I can't get my numbers so he's a b*****d attitude from people that didn't know. From memory I don't think I mentioned Bill and Jeff.
Within 5/10 minutes you deleted me. Not even a PM saying naughty boy. No freedom of speech; I'm in charge. If you had bothered to find out what the problem was at FAG you could have shown some compassion towards Tony and given your members an update. It doesn't take much thought. He might have appeared an awkward s*d at times but generally with give and take matters were usually sorted out.
If a guy has been running a Forum for x amount of years and suddenly winds down. He must have a problem. Yes he did, his wife and daughter were his priority and everything was getting on top of him. So all the sounding off was totally unnecessary.
There was no nastiness broadcast on this Forum.
It was a common known fact that you were after taking over FAG (friends or associates talk) and Tony, wouldn't despite his circumstances give in and still hasn't.
Here endeth the lesson.
Just an afterthought Photomick and Slideman; you may well agree but with respect you only know one side of the story.
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Post by spud gun on Dec 29, 2017 13:42:19 GMT
I'm not getting involved in a slanging match either, this is a great forum and I wouldn't dream of using its space to start sounding off. But you appear to have a peculiar take on things. We know who you are, it's blatantly obvious, no matter what pseudonym you use here. Regarding the "wanting to take over the old FAB forum", all I did was to email Tony when it became obvious he was going to close it down to ask him if he would consider letting a small group of volunteers run it, rather than lose it, although it would still be his forum. He replied to say "no" and that was that.
I have the greatest sympathy for Tony, but he needn't have wiped the forum clean, not least of all Peter Brown's magnum opus. I, like everyone else, lost months of logs and photos on a whim, he didn't want the old FAB forum, but he didn't want anyone else to look after it either.
You state in your post at the top of this thread "rival forum AFA". We're not rivals, Jeff and I started this forum in January 2015 just as the guys did here. So, along with Peter's top notch Blackbushe forum, three have emerged from the ashes of the old FAB forum. Regardless of his personal circumstances, people just got cheesed off with the constantly changing rules and regulations, and the totally erratic moderation on the old forum and when you muck people around for long enough, they will reach the stage where they say, " I've had enough". Add to that the "you must post every so often or be booted off" rule which meant a lot of senior members, some of whom were immobile and solely used the forum as a daily fix, were removed.
As for your pathetic bleat about "freedom of speech", you seem to have a very short memory as you posted several very personal and derogatory remarks about me and the AFA forum in general and continued to do so on the old FAB forum when it resurfaced a little while later. Freedom of speech is one thing, outright rudeness and belligerence is something else so it's no wonder you were booted out.
I will not respond further but I too thank Andrew and the other FAB mods here for allowing me to reply to your ridiculous statements. I wish the new FAB forum and its members all the very best for 2018.
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Post by Jeff AFA on Dec 29, 2017 13:44:28 GMT
With respect David, you too only know one side of the story ! I think we should leave this now as I dont think this is fair on Andrew or his site. You have my email if you want to repond further
Jeff AFA
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Post by Dave Silk on Dec 29, 2017 13:56:29 GMT
Yes Jeff, I said "Here endeth the lesson" and that's it. I waited to get my point over. It's taken a long time, it was worth it and that's it.
Enfin
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Post by andypspotter on Dec 29, 2017 14:07:46 GMT
Thanks for all your input and for airing differing opinions about the demise of Tony's board, and for explaining the actions of various people before and after the event.
We'll try to keep this forum as open as possible, for as long as possible. We're a friendly bunch who, in the main, just can't wait to get our next 'fix' of planes. If we can have a laugh and a joke en route, so much the better.
Happy enthusing in 2018, and beyond.
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