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Post by andypspotter on Nov 26, 2023 14:24:48 GMT
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Post by andyh58 on Nov 26, 2023 14:59:28 GMT
I’ve just submitted my support for the project also. Although there seems to be quite a lot of objections.
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Post by andypspotter on Nov 26, 2023 15:56:16 GMT
I’ve just submitted my support for the project also. Although there seems to be quite a lot of objections. Yes, the usual 'happy to benefit from all the positives of living close to economic drivers / good transportation links, but not willing to accept any possible negatives' (not that a few more shiny planes flying overhead should necessarily be seen as a negative). I would encourage everyone to comment - let's try to skew the feedback in support of the proposal.
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Post by andypspotter on Nov 28, 2023 20:25:09 GMT
The scores on the doors as of 28/11.
Total Consulted: 447 Comments Received: 440 Objections: 357 Supporting: 79
Support is catching up, and it's not a referendum / popularity contest, but the grounds for refusal are fairly flimsy IMHO.
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Post by busterbear on Nov 29, 2023 20:30:49 GMT
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Post by ian2297 on Nov 30, 2023 15:58:01 GMT
I’ve supported the application!
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Post by Cactus 737 on Nov 30, 2023 20:55:53 GMT
Latest figures Consulted: 447 Comments Received: 528 Objections: 431 Supporting: 87
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Post by timvlf on Nov 30, 2023 21:55:54 GMT
ive been on to vote but cant see whereit is !!! regards tim
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Post by Cactus 737 on Nov 30, 2023 22:07:57 GMT
It’s strange, I added my support on Sunday, but now checking the submitted comments on the RBC website I cannot find my own comments listed ?
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Post by andypspotter on Dec 1, 2023 22:33:58 GMT
It’s strange, I added my support on Sunday, but now checking the submitted comments on the RBC website I cannot find my own comments listed ? Mine wasn't obviously visible, so I resubmitted, and it appeared. But I did query whether the consuultation may be flawed with (supporting, and even possibly objecting) comments being missed?
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Post by Cactus 737 on Dec 2, 2023 9:48:12 GMT
Yes, I too am wondering if the comments section isn’t working properly at RBC, having read ‘ timvlf’s’ comments above- in which case the whole consultation process is flawed.
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Post by samolot on Dec 2, 2023 11:29:36 GMT
I went to one of the public displays/meetings at Farnborough college, which was one of a series around the area. You could also write your views on then proposal at those meetings, so the on-line poll is not the only avenue for airing views either for/against.
My view for, is that the overall benefit to the area far outweighs the objections. As I point out to people who might complain about the noise/pollution issues. The alternative is probably worse for the area, as I suspect if the airfield is not seen as a 'going concern' that it would be shut and I suspect be very quickly snapped up by developers who could build a 'mini-new town' on the airfield site, that would get the green light as it would be a 'brown-field' site. Imagine the extra noise/traffic etc from a massive load of houses covering the site plus the extra strain on all the local services/schools.
I do believe that the new company running Farnborough could have helped the application in a few ways though.
1. By being a lot more active in the local area promoting the benefits of the airport and being more involved in the local community. For example when TAG were in charge there was a local charity event held on the airfield, the 'twilight runway challenge' where on one Saturday evening [normally mid-Summer for the light evening] where locals could walk/run/cycle even roller-blade etc around a course on the airfield that was around the ramps and along the runway. I did this a few times with my family and apart from being a unique experience of cycling along the runway/ramps [and getting close-up to the exec jets!] it raised a lot of money for local charities and was good PR. The new company stopped the event. That is just one example, the new company hasn't been anything like as visible in the local area whereas TAG was quite well known locally.
2. By lobbying the Government a lot harder, so as to get a branch built into the airport of the new ESSO aviation fuel pipeline, that is currently being put in from the South coast up to Heathrow and runs right next the airfield. I asked about this at the exhibition and they stated they had tried [but were not successful] but it would have been a major coup if they had managed it as they admitted at the exhibition that about 10-15 tankers are needed daily for their fuel needs, so if they had lobbied harder maybe they could have got the pipeline and it would have looked good in that they were taking fuel tankers off the roads.
3. Stopping the 'horse-freight' flights as these tend to be noisier old freighter aircraft that in general arrive early mornings and depart late evenings [after horse racing at places like Ascot] They stated these were only 350 or so movements a year but the fact is those old [mainly B737] freighters are a lot noisier that modern exec jets, so do they really need the revenue from them for the extra noise/annoyance they cause?
A positive bit of 'feedback' I did get from the meeting I attended was that they supported the 'Pegasus' scheme and were quite happy to have 'spotters' at various locations around the airfield, as being regular visitors, they were likely to spot anything/anyone suspicious around the airfield, which is good for enthusiasts.
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Post by Cactus 737 on Dec 2, 2023 12:08:38 GMT
That’s a very good point ‘Samolot’ has made about the Esso pipeline. I went to the presentation at Fleet Library which at the time of my visit was well attended. Although it would have been easier to have fitted an offtake into Farnborough Airport during the construction stage, an ‘under pressure tapping’ can still be done even after the pipeline is commissioned, and since the main pipeline goes through the adjacent Cody Business Park, the disturbance and distance involved would be very small. I also agree that the ‘new’ owners of the airport, Macquarie, could have illicited more local support by re-introducing the weekly Tuesday morning tours for the public-which were very popular (at times a 6-month waitlist), and, of course, by improving viewing facilities at the 24 end ( allowing Pegasus members to utilise part of the exhibition area)
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Post by samolot on Dec 2, 2023 12:16:14 GMT
That’s a very good point ‘Samolot’ has made about the Esso pipeline. I went to the presentation at Fleet Library which at the time of my visit was well attended. Although it would have been easier to have fitted an offtake into Farnborough Airport during the construction stage, an ‘under pressure tapping’ can still be done even after the pipeline is commissioned, and since the main pipeline goes through the adjacent Cody Business Park, the disturbance and distance involved would be very small. I also agree that the ‘new’ owners of the airport, Macquarie, could have illicited more local support by re-introducing the weekly Tuesday morning tours for the public-which were very popular (at times a 6-month waitlist), and, of course, by improving viewing facilities at the 24 end ( allowing Pegasus members to utilise part of the exhibition area) That's another thing I did raise at the meeting, about permanent view facilities but I got the impression, they actually seemed to prefer 'spotters' to be at numerous different locations around the airport, as they act as effectively an unpaid security force around the airport [and probably much more likely to spot anything unusual]
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Post by Cactus 737 on Dec 2, 2023 13:24:31 GMT
It’s strange, I added my support on Sunday, but now checking the submitted comments on the RBC website I cannot find my own comments listed ? Mine wasn't obviously visible, so I resubmitted, and it appeared. But I did query whether the consuultation may be flawed with (supporting, and even possibly objecting) comments being missed? I’ve resubmitted my comments a second time, and despite receiving confirmation emails from Rushmoor that my comments have been accepted on both occasions, neither of my submissions are viewable on the RBC planning website.
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